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[Bobas32]

Siek tiek info apie sia bure

Komentaras:
I have now logged in some time on the different Neutrons, and will give you my views:
6.3 Neutron - rigs as normal, like the N5, and I have sailed it in 15, 25, 30 and up to 33 knots. Never a problem, the sail handles huge gusts without a problem. The sail is so stable, you can now feel if the front end of the boom is tight enough on the mast!! It rigs according to the specs.
I feel the sail drives better through the jibe, yet it is easier to jibe, possibly from a slighly shorter boom length.

7.6 - What a sail!! I have never liked the sails in this size range before, as they are too big for a slalom sail for my size, and too small for course racing. However, I use it on my AHD GTs 73 (Similar board to the Tiga 130, Exocet S3 and S4) and the sail is UNBLIEVABLE. I have been having so much fun on it. By far the most fun and exhilarating sail I ever owned.
It rigs "normaly" as well

9.0 - Huge shape, more shape around the booms than the 11.0. The sail sails light in the hands, has great drive upwind and speed off the wind, totally stable. Get ready to change settings on your board as this sail allows you to move the mast track much further back.


10.0 - I tried rigging this sail the new way. Forget it. Rig it the normal way and pay attention not to let the two top cams pop off. If they do, you will need to slack the downhaul, and pop them in by pushing down on the batten, and poping the cam back in.
This sail is doingmost of the work my 11.0 N5 did.

If you are a big guy, you will love these sails as they are heavy and solid as a rock. I am trying to see if this sail will replace the 11.0 in power. This would be a treat if I could go down in size and still have the same performance.

11.0- Performance wise this sail drives like a semi, rock solid and huge power. Not difficult to sail at all, and fast on all points of sail. Unfortunately for my size, this sail is simply way too heavy and too stiff. I can't make it work for my size. But if you are 85 kilos (200+ lbs) or above, this sail is super stable.
Rigging is another story. You can kiss goodbye the rigging simplicity of the previous Nitros. You are now part of the Neil Pryde, North and many other double luff sail clan doing this strange dance of tensioning and slacking and popping cams etc.
You can check my website under Photo gallery, to see pictures of the 11.0 and 10.0 Neutron.

Nuotaukos:
http://www.calema.com/index.php?main_page=page_2

Ka dar gali pridurti, kol buvau egipte, mano bures - 12 ir 10.5 nupirko latviai. Smikiai. Dabar nutariau po balandzio 7d neplaukti su burlente bet 2 menesius. vataip.

[Mantas99]

Tai vyrukas 12 ne nebande. Kaip suprantu yra mazo svorio.
Toks ispudis, turint pakankamai plaukimo technikos ir atitinkanti salygas vaira 12 ir didesne bure nera butina.Turiu omeny zmones virs 85kg.
Ta gerai iliustruoja Wojteko siu metu plaukimai. Ir netik wojteko. Neseniai viename uzsienio forume prasidejo diskusija apie ar 12 bure esant ribinems salygoms turi zenklu pranasuma pries 11.

Bobai, kai jau turi galimybe nuspresti is naujo kokias bures (branda ir dydi) rinktis ar lieki tos pacios nuomones?

[Bobas32]

Siuo metu esu ramus. Galiu ramiai palaukti atsiliepimu ir uzsisakyti ka nors. Man bures reikes mazdaug birzelio pabaigoje, liepos pradzioje.
Gaastra manau kad yra geras pasirinkimas. Del MauSails dar abejoju. Nezinau kokios kokybes bures pasiuvimas bus. Sako kad jas siuna NeipPraide fabrike.
Siuo metu manau kad visos bures yra pakankamai geros. Gaastra man buvo ir yra priimtina tuom, kad ji yra lengvesne uz placiakisenes, devisi tikrai gerai, pasiuta kokybiskai, yra geros formos ir koncepcijos, yra realiai dirbantis garantinis ir pogarantinis remontas. Deja kol kas atsiliepimu is varzybu yra mazai. Dar siuo metu permastau ir kitas alternatyvas. Su Audrium zadam susibekti koki vakara ir uztakeluoti 10kv Neutrona. Parasysiu ka pamatysim.

[Bobas32]

Sveiki, siandien takelavome Audriaus nauja Neutron 10kv bure.

Ispakavus atrodo rimtai. 9 lates, 5 kemberiai , pasiuvimas atrodo kokybiskas, lengva, atrodo patikimai.
Bandom kisti stieba. Takeluojam taip kaip ir visas bures placiomis kisenemis. Is pradziu ikisom stieba virs laciu, tada itempem bure ir uzdejom gika. Sukaisioti kemberiu i vieta ilgai nesiseke. Bet kai atleidom pakankamai daug, taip pat beveik pilnai per gika - kemberiai pradejo isistatineti. Pradedam nuo apacios ir einam i virsu. Po truputi reikia patempti per gika. Zodziu - susitakelavo sekmingai, taip kaip ir buvo zadeta. Is pradziu ikisi stieba, uzdedi gika, veliau sustatai kemberius ir galutinai viska sureguliuoji. Kemberiai yra kitokie nei pries tai buvusiu Nitro buriu.

Sutakeluota bure atrodo taip pat gana ispudingai. Nesunkiai galima padaryti milziniska pilva, taip pat isplokstinti bure greiciui. Tai kaskas naujo, nes paprastai Gaastros bures budavo geros tik prie kaskuriu ribiniu salygu: pvz Nitro2 turejo labai gera trauka prie silpno vejo, Nitro4 ir nitro5 pasizymejo prie stipraus vejo. Neutronas panasu kad turi geriausias Nitro2 ir Nitro4 savybes. Reguliavimo galimybes tiesiog milziniskos.

Kai kur matosi nedideles rauksleles, tai gali buti arba del kaskokiu siuvimo problemu, arba ta bure dar nesusitampiusi ir veliau tos kelios rauksleles isnyks.

Stiebas yra irgi kitoks. Man pasirode siek tiek sunkesnis ir storesnem sienelem. Gal ir klystu.

Labai idomu bus suzinoti kaip si bure dirbs ant vandens.

Siuo momentu manau kad ji tikrai tures panasiai traukos nei sakykim Nitro5 11kv., taip pat bus gerokai stabilesne.

Kisene padaryta gana plati. Nedaug siauresne uz NP. Susidaro ispudis, kad Gaastra padare bure placia kisene, bet ja vadina tarpiniu modeliu del kaskokiu psichologiniu problemu.

Panasaus plocio kisene maciau padaryta NP V8 siu metu bureje.

Zodziu tiek ispudziu.

[Mantas99]

Kai kur matosi nedideles rauksleles, tai gali buti arba del kaskokiu siuvimo problemu, arba ta bure dar nesusitampiusi ir veliau tos kelios rauksleles isnyks

Forumuose skaiciau, kad bent jau NP naujose RS burese buna smulkiu rauksleliu, kurios po keliu uztakelavimu isnyksta

Tai kaskas naujo, nes paprastai Gaastros bures budavo geros tik prie kaskuriu ribiniu salygu: pvz Nitro2 turejo labai gera trauka prie silpno vejo, Nitro4 ir nitro5 pasizymejo prie stipraus vejo. Neutronas panasu kad turi geriausias Nitro2 ir Nitro4 savybes. Reguliavimo galimybes tiesiog milziniskos.

Idomu butu paziureti ar 12 m Neutronas turi tiek pat savybiu kaip ir 10,
nes pastaruoju metu ryskeja tendencija, kad mazos formulines bures islaiko zymiai didesni vejo diapazona, o dideles labiau tinka ribinems salygoms. Manau del to jusu nagrineta maza bure atrodo( ir yra) tokia universali

[LR]

.....Panasaus plocio kisene maciau padaryta NP V8 siu metu bureje.

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V8 ten tik optine apgaule,o kisene siaura : The V8’s shaping and design characteristics are taken directly from the current sail in the Neil Pryde racing program. However, to increase the range of use of the sail, it is developed with a standard luff sleeve. The V8 is the narrow sleeve race sail in the Neil Pryde Collection... http://www.neilpryde.com/en/2005/sails/v8.php

[Bobas32]

Pabandziau paskaiciuoti kisenes plocio ir bures plocio per gika santykius.
Gaunasi taip:
RS5 -20% skirta kisenei.
Naish ir Severne skiria - 25%
NorsSail - 16%.

Norsas siais metais kisene susiaurino. Ir daba jie gamina bures su siauriausia placia kisene. Skamba linksmai.

V8 ir V6 bures deklaruojamos kaip siauromis kisenemis, bet ju santykins ilgis yra irgi 16%. Na sakykim kad jos yra trumpesnes uz reisine, atatinkamai tas procentas isauga.

Nitro5 turejo 7% kisene, siais metais Neutronas padarytas su 10% kisene.
Guno nauja bure turi atrodo net 30% kisene.

Zodziu, gaunasi kad 16% yra riba kai bure galima vadinti siaura arba placia kisene.

Tik tiek.

[LR]

na nenoriu buti ikirus, V8 gyvos nemaciau, bet pasiziurejus i pvz http://www.neilpryde.com/en/2005/sails/sailtech.php kur Jimmy Diazas su V8 susidaro ispudis,kad ta plati,tai xply sustiprinimo panele, o pati kisene kaip ir raso siaura,galima gincytis ar ten 5,6,ar7% ,taciau i 16% nelabai panasu.

[Bobas32]

Na taip, panasu kad LR teisus. Gaunasi kaskur 7%.

[Mantas]

nu jus visai jau dailininkais patapot

[Bobas32]

Perspejimas, su NP RS5, pasirodo negalima naudoti angliniu prailgintuvu. Jie luzta. Aliumininiai tik sulinks ir viskas. Zodziu. Prailgintuvu problema jau ir pas NP.

http://www.neilpryde.com/forum/index.php

[Egis LTU 772]

Perspejimas, su NP RS5, pasirodo negalima naudoti angliniu prailgintuvu. Jie luzta. Aliumininiai tik sulinks ir viskas. Zodziu. Prailgintuvu problema jau ir pas NP.

http://www.neilpryde.com/forum/index.php

Bobai labai gerai isvertei, bending = breaking

[Bobas32]

Bobai labai gerai isvertei, bending = breaking

Egi, dar karta perskaiciau. Nors mano anglu kalbos zinios labai kuklios, bet manau kad buvo pasakyta: panaudojus aliumininius prailgintuvus jie sulinksta arba luzta stiebas X9 toje vietoje, kur baigiasi prailgintuvas. Jeigu naudoji anglinius prailgintuvus - tai luzta patys prailgintuvai, kartais net stiebo viduje. Ar turi buti, kad aliuminiai luzta o angliniai sulinksta?

[Egis LTU 772]

Bobai,
Neilpryde forumus skaitau visada, nes esu pasirinkes sia firma. Kad luzta X9 stiebai tai tiesa, taciau neaisku del kieno kaltes ir t.t. Tik vienam topic'e maciau nusiskundima, kad sulinko prailgintuvas (bure rs5 10.7). Nei stiebas, nei gikas nebuvo paminetas. Tai info is naujausiu topic'u. Jei gali, nurodyk topic'o pavadinima, nes siuo metu laukio 05 prailgintuvu ir dar mastau karboninis ar aliuminis.

[Bobas32]

Butent todel ir parasiau, nes zinau kad yra perkami RS5. Manau geriau pasirinkti aliumininius, nes lyg ir pats NP sako kad angliniai netinkami.

Tekstas:
Last weekend three friends of mine were using RS5 10.7 for the first time. The result: one X9 530 mast broken, just after rigging, near the end of the extension (aluminium). The other sailor had the extension (carbon) broken inside the mast. Yes, it is said that carbon extensions are not to be used with these sails... So why are them sold?
BTW, the other sailor did manage to go to water and came back with all his equipment intact.

Dar:
I Pieter

When you unriging the sail the extension make the same curve of the mast.
So the problem is when you riging the sail again whit a same extension you dont have the same power, when you ringing whit a new extension.
So it is better make a new mast for this sail or a goog extension whit good allumium.

All the best
Mike