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kodel as nepirkciau matracinio kaito?

UNREAD_POST Tata 06 Lap 2006 01:33

.....Tai va radau toki straipsneli, parasyta rimto vyriuko sprendziant is destomos medziagos ir tono mane veik itikino.
Ruosiuosi pirkti siai ziemai FRENZY 07 kad isitikinciau visu 12 punktu teisingumu ar paneigciau juos sau pvz.

o kam idomu pasiskaitykite nes tingiu versti.
Noreciau isgirsti rimtesniu kaitioru, meginusiusiu foilus pvz Swell'o komentarus siam straipsniui.



respect

isvarom poryt i gharghada ten kur pucia ir pus visa savaite
su flyin monkeys team. laukite reportazu o ju zadam duot su twora ir kitais monkiais.


Ram airs are aerodynamically lower compared to inflatables.
I've summarised the reasons for the aerodynamic superiority of inflatables:



1: Lift to drag ration (L/D)
- Ram airs have a HUGE drag coefficient because of their complex bridle system. It can create drag inefficiencies up to 30%
- Because large rams have a HUGE "D" coefficient compared to inflatables, they are unable to generate the sudden upward power spikes.

- For this reason, rams can pull steadily enough, but will ALWAYS lack the jumping ability of a l quality 2006 inflatables.

2: Inertia
- Because large ram airs have a much larger mass of air in them (filling the pockets) their inertia is enormous. It is very difficult moving this mass of air across the sky to generate sudden power spikes and therefore lift. The inertia and slow turning makes a lot of modern moves (eg kiteloops) incredibly difficult, if not impossible. Large ram air kites like the Titan 21.5 contain OVER 11kg of air in their cells.

3: Rigidity
- Small inflatables are better than small rams because they have a semi-rigid structure. This improves consistency, stability of turning, and precision in handling. Kite makers like Naish, North, and Flexifoil are actually moving to make their kites MORE rigid by joining the struts firmly to the leading edge and by adding fifth lines.
-Rigidity also facilitates turning. Bar pressure TWISTS the WHOLE kite, speeding up turns. Lack of internal rigidity means that rams can't twist as aerodynamically as inflatos.

4: Wing tips
- Far from being a hindrance, the tips of the inflatable act as rudders, enabling faster, more controlled turns (and therefore larger more controlled power spikes)

5: Foil shape
- Inflatables have a consistent foil shape because they are semi rigid. Rams deform and change their foil shape which causes an inconsistent aerodynamic profile.

- Ram airs have real problems aerodynamically at the side of the wind window (see Bruno Leg's thread on ram airs).

6: Luff curve
- Luff curves vary extensively. Inflatables with flat luff curves sit forward in the window whereas inflatables with deeper luff curves sit further back in the window. It is the same principle as sailing: If you want more "bottom" end with a sail, you deepen the luff curve (eg letting out the outhaul on a sailboard). If you want more "high" end, you make the luff curve shallower (eg sheeting in the outhaul on a sailboard). There is a lot of difference amongst kites when it comes to luff curves and it determines a lot of handling characteristics. It's a matter of trying different inflatables until you find one you like.
- Because rams sit further back in the window than equivalent inflatables (due to excessive drag and inertia) there is less room for ram designers to play around with the luff curve.

7: Relaunch
- Ram lovers make a big issue of this. It isn't a big issue. Beginners find relaunching inflatables easy after a few sesssions. Yes, some rams can reverse launch, but so what... a lot of inflatables can reverse launch. Rams can launch directly downwind in the water, but so what... so can a lot of inflatables. Anyway, downwind launches are dangerous for beginners because of the risk of being flung or carted downwind. For intermediates and above, relaunching should not even be considered in the equation because a) they won't be dropping the kite much anyway and b) Relaunching inflatables is EASY

8: Safety
- Inflatables are safer than ram airs because
-- Downwind launches are bloody SCARY for a beginner
-- Rams deform, twist, wineglass, explode in the middle of the power zone etc when they are downwind of obstacles, in rotors, and in VERY gusty conditions. This is VERY dangerous. Some of the most frightening kitemares ever witnessed have involved ram users walking along beaches in cross-offshore conditions - their kites have been virtually uncontrollable and have endangered both the rider and other beach users.
-- Wind dropouts and gear failure
--- You will invariably experience a few gear failures (eg broken lines) and COMPLETE wind dropouts every year. If you are a fair way offshore, you can use the inflatable as a "sail" to get back in. Alternatively you can use the inflatable structure to support your weight.
--- All ram airs become hopelessly waterlogged after 45 minutes - unlaunchable and certainly unable to support your body weight.
-- Surf conditions
---While it is always a gamble if your kite gets caught by a wave, at least you've got a fighting chance if it is an inflatable. If it is a ram air, it's all over.
-- Bridle tangles and failures - Scary and expensive (US $500 plus) (eg see thread on this forum: "Flysurfer Warrior Exploding")

9 Pre-inflating
- Ram users struggle to pre-inflate their kites in a lot of situations eg cross- offshore conditions.
- Without pre-inflation, ram users find it very difficult to drift launch. This skill is often required eg Promontory/headland launches.

10 Resale
- Contrary to the propaganda of ram lovers, ram airs and inflatos have similar lifespans. The major determinant of a kites lifespan is obsolescence - in 2-3 years, whatever you're using now won't be worth much and will have been superseded.

11 Repairs
- Ram air repairs are generally a LOT more expensive. For example, most Flysurfer kites require a dedicated PARACHUTE repairer to do the job properly (eg bridle failures). The cost for this can be astronomical (thousands of dollars).

12 Competition
Ram lovers can't prove their claims in competitions. Whenever they make some ridiculous claim about how their kites will do well in competitions, they get blown out of the water. For example, they said that various kites from Flysurfer would dominate the pro kitesurfing circuit. It didn't happen. No ram riders made it into the top 50. They said ram airs would dominate the Cabo Verde Wave event... it didn't happen. Rams are aerodynamically inferior - they can't match it with inflatables in comps. The top pro riders ALL prefer inflatables because of their superior aerodynamic properties.


Ignore the ram air propaganda. Ignore the lies. Ram airs are aerodynamically inferior to LEIs and nothing can change this.
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UNREAD_POST tadas bestkites 10 Vas 2007 03:19

Mielas Tata,


nors ziemos sezonas dar tik ipusejo, visgi noretusi isgirsti Tamstos vertinimus bei reakcija i savo paties ideta straipsni...
man kaip Flysurfer matracu pardavejui tai tiesiogiai idomu, bet manau kad atsiras ir daugiau norinciu apie tai isgirsti ...
aciu is anksto,

tadas
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UNREAD_POST Tata 12 Vas 2007 14:23

...vau isties ideti straipsniuka is interneto lengviau negu parasyti paciam
be to apie foilus, kuriu niekad nebuvau mates.

Gavau is OZONE nauja 2007 modeli MANTA 10m2,
tai yra vardinis Chastagnol kaito modelis, sukurtas pagal jo dizaina.

Principinius aprasymus rasite saite http://www.flyozone.com

Paemiau ji su savimi keliones i Brazilija metu testavimui.
Pradzioje buvo parkes kaip elgtis pakelti, isvynioti ir tt. Gerai kad ziurejau parengta internetine video medziaga, kaip elgtis. Aisku tame movie salygos biski kitos, lengvas vejukas, sniegelis etc. Pedra Rochada kas zino ta pliaza salygos kitos 12m/s vejuks ir nesamas smelis. Teko pirmam kartui patirti baimes, taciau ji greit isgaravo pradejus plaukti.
Brazilija vasara:
1 diena: Jausmas laikant Chasta kaita rankose dar geresnis negu su Instinct, apie kuri as esu labai geros nuomones. (braziluose visas dienas plaukiau tik su 9 iskyrus 1d kai twora mane priverte paimti 13). Jokios kietos jegos, pabreziu tai, nes nebandzius nelabai supranti kas yra foilinis kaitas.
Jis minkstas visame depowerio diapazone, ispudis tarsi butu gumines stropos. Jokio nuovargio rankoms. Suolio aukstis ir galia panasi i Instinct.
Testavimo diena vejukas buvo tikrai geras ir suteike daug kaifo.
Problemu nebuvo jokiu. Karta darant loopa uzsikabino kampas uz stropos buvo parkes bet pats ore issivyniojo ir susitvarke.
2 diena: Vel viskas buvo gerai, pradejau suprasti savarankisko kaito pakelimo principus. Pabaigai eme kritineti vejas, imeciau kaita i vandeni ir teko baigti dienele, nes kaitas MANTA nepritaikytas vandeniui. Per priekio angas pagauna vandens ir jau nebeiskelsi.

Palukne ziema: Su 10m2 pradejau varineti be problemu kai visi kiti kaitai dar kritinejo. Nuleisti ir pakelti kaita isvis jokiu problemu. Kada nori ir kaip nori. Visi mate kas buvo Palukneje. Truko vejuko, bet supratau kad Manta yra geras draugelis, kuriuo gali totaliai pasitiketi.
Dar bandziau viena diena prie Baltojo tilto totaliai vienas. Be problemu gali daryti ka nori-pasikelti, nuleisti. pailseti ir vel varyti.

Isvada:
Rekomenduoju kaita visiems kas megsta kaituoti ziema nuo beginerio iki profio. Visiska kontrole ir jokiu pompu. Manau testi toliau savo bandymus tiek sia ziema tiek vasara.
Aisku tai tik pirmieji ispudziai. Noretusi ji isbandyti kur nors Alpese rimtesnese salygose.

see ya TATA

ps kam yra klausimu ka as isivaizduoju sakydamas laisve paziurekite
http://www.flyozone.com/video/chasta.mp4
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UNREAD_POST Baltras 12 Vas 2007 16:48

Tata, gal galėtum ir vertimą įdėti?
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UNREAD_POST Tata 12 Vas 2007 16:58

2 Baltras
ziur prideta nuoroda chasta.wmv
nereiks vertimo
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UNREAD_POST sukasiaka 12 Vas 2007 17:16

Tata rašė:2 Baltras
ziur prideta nuoroda chasta.wmv
nereiks vertimo


labai grazu
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UNREAD_POST Nobody's 13 Vas 2007 23:42

Nerodo man chasta. Kame problema? :?:
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UNREAD_POST sukasiaka 14 Vas 2007 00:28

naudok video lan "VLC" playeri ir pamirshi bedas
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UNREAD_POST Nobody's 15 Vas 2007 00:26

sukasiaka rašė:naudok video lan "VLC" playeri ir pamirshi bedas
Is kur ji gauti?
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UNREAD_POST Nobody's 15 Vas 2007 01:35

Jau matau. Cool. :wink:
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