FW pelekas

[Reiseris]

Audriau,greiciau sveik ir galesi isbandyti mano Matta.Plaukiant su SB 162 sis vairas pasidaro neblogas ,kai pustelia 8-12m\s,tada jis kelia gerai,pats iseina is spinautu,del greicio taip ir neissiaiskinau.Vandenyne,su juo yra neblogas astrumas i Veja.Dabar netycia isbandziau XXS'a Kaunuskej su Gaastra lenta.Pasirodo jis kelia sia lenta ir prie silpnoko Vejo,plaukti zymiai smagiau nei su R17,tik yra toks sunkumo jausmas,atrodo,kad kazkas lenta stabdo.Tikriausiai mano Matta's bus skirtas stipresniam vejui,arba lengvesniam buriuotojui.Greitis i veja su Matto buvo didesnis 2km\h pavejui 4km\h.Sunku pasakyti,ar tai vairas,ar didesnis Vejo gusis pasitaike.Susidariau nuomone,kad sis vairas gerai tiks senesnem starboard ir kitu gamintoju lentom.
P.s. plaukiau su Blade vienuoliuke ir kaip nebutu keista, jos uzteko esant silpnam ir vidutiniam Vejui,3-6m\s.
P.s. apie R20 Portugalijoi visi estai pasisake teigiamai,net ir Martin est202 istikimiausias R17 naudotojas,kazkur susirado pasiskolint varzybom si ginkla ir buvo labai patenkintas,bet vistiek perka Kashy.Taigi neturintiems $ Kashy,geriausia iseitis Deboichet R20,arba Huricane 2008m. vairai.
Visi turesim vienodus vairus ir vel visi busim lygus,taip ir priartes FW prie (FOD) Formula one design.

[Mindaugas LTU9]

Uzklausiau SF formulistu forume. Stai ju komentarai.

[color=#4000BF]Hey there, good to see that you get wind where you are-that's the important
thing!
My 2 cents.� Try the Finworks fins, they have a good light-wind model; right in
the San Francisco Bay Area.� Also go to the Neil Pryde Maui, Starboard & Maui
Sails websites & look for the links on fins for FW in the forums..there is some
great info out there. Hurricane, Kashy, etc.
�
Good sailing!
�
Royce
Team AB+


I agree with Royce about the finworks light wind fin. I have been able to get
upwind angle in 10knts with that fin, and can get it planing in even less than
that. On top of that, it still works well when wound out if the wind picks up
drastically (common occurence for me at events in the midwest). I have used
other fins that had similar low-end performance (Deb R17 and Hurricane FRB5, et
al), but none of those had the same kind of range for the high end.
�
Later,
Arden


I didn't really want to respond to this because of a conflict of interest.�
However, a big factor here is price and availability.�� I don't know what your
budget is, but the fins mentioned are almost impossible to find used, $500+ for
a new model, and some have a long lead time.�

If you are interested in a less expensive option, our fin company F4 has a few
light wind prototypes for sale.� These fins have hardly been used and would run
1/4 to 1/2 the price of the new fins mentioned.� I can't speak for other
manufacturers, but they may have some protos too.

This price range may be a better match given your board is a few years old and
depending how much you sail in light wind.� If your budget is not an issue then
I would look at something new from the manufacturers mentioned already.

Steve Bodner tested our light wind fin against the Fin Works and some other new
designs and preferred our offering.� Recently we have sold a few to Europe and
those customers are giving us similar feedback.

Finding something that planes early and takes a high angle to the wind is not a
problem.� The BIG issue on the L6 is getting something that flexes correctly so
the board is controllable, has a wider range, and is fun to sail� Debs., even
really soft ones are almost universally regarded as too stiff.� Techtonics up in
that size generally flex too much or not in the correct way.�

The optimal flex is something between the Deb. and Techtonics.� Kashy is still
the benchmark but some other manufacturers are really close including Fin Works,
Hurricane, F4, and Ifju.

Ben


Kert,� Ben also has a very good product-Definitely contact him in your search.�
I have seen Steve's threads on the fin.�As you can see there are a lot of
options for your board.

Royce
AB+


I agree. There are several options out there and everyone in this post has done
a good job of being objective.
�
If you are interested in a cheaper used option, I have a 70cm deb R13 I would
sell for $150. Good low end, but it doesn't keep up with the newer fins in
strong wind. I also have a hurricane frb5 that has lots of area so even better
light wind planing and very high angle, but it suffers even more in strong wind.
I would sell that one for $125.
�
Later,
Arden


Given your ceriteria of early planing and good angle I would choose a cut down
fin around 73cm. Despite the L6 having a smaller tail width than the newer
boards, it can benifit from the extra power a cut down fin will give you. Also
raking the fin further forward will give you better angle at the cost of some
control as it gets windier.
Finally, flex is another criteria to consider. A softer fin is easier to pump
and get going and will respond better to the light wind. Pumping the fin to
initiate planing or to stay on a plane is almost as important as pumping your
sail to get going. With the right technique, you can be up in 6-7 knots.
Good luck
Steve
USA 4[/color]

[ezhys]

Mindaugai, gal galetum numesti adresa i sia diskusija? Aciu!

[Gedas LTU76]

Na, praktiškai viskas tas pats ką mes ir sakėme tik angliškai. Iš esmės, Mindaugai, Kashy, tu tikrai nepirksi, dėl to reik žiūrėti į tuos vairus, kurie yra prieinami ir kainuoja ne per daug. Įtariu ir standartinis vairas, kuris eina kartu su SB formulėm, tau visai tiktų.

[Romas]

Pagal kokius pozymius rinktis peleka kad maziau liptu noisis prie vandens ir butu minimalus soninis lauzimas?

[kalvis]

Pagal kokius pozymius rinktis peleka kad maziau liptu noisis prie vandens ir butu minimalus soninis lauzimas?

kad maziau liptu nosis prie vandens paslink sarnyra atgal. ir dar jei nosis limpa plaukiant pavejui ne visa laika o tik kai paveji sekancia banga, tai cia daugiau lentos ypatybe o ne vairo.
kas yra minimalus soninis lauzimas? nesupratau, gal aprasyk placiau.

[Romas]

Realiai kalba ne apie FW bet SL inventoriu. Kadangi lenta (iSonic145 88,5x224) turi siokiu tokiu panasumu i FW gal nesupypsit kad klausima uzdaviau cia.

kad maziau liptu nosis prie vandens paslink sarnyra atgal

Dag maz pakenciamas plaukimas kai sarnyras beveik paciam gale (85%) gikas zemai.

jei nosis limpa plaukiant pavejui ne visa laika

Nosis limpa visa laika, pertempus per stieba bure nemalonus efektas silpneja.

kas yra minimalus soninis lauzimas?

Lenta nemegsta pavertimo ant sono, geriausiai plaukia budama horizontalioje padetyje.
Peleka naudoju U60 patrumpinta iki 50cm ir paversta i prieki.
Vakar pabandziau superfast48 cm - plaukti dar sunkiau.
Bure Simmer SC 9m2.

[ezhys]

Tokiai lentai, manau, reikia minimum 54-56cm vairo. Trumpas vairas generuoja nepakankamai jegos ir neiskelia lentos is vandens.

[Romas]

Tokiai lentai, manau, reikia minimum 54-56cm vairo. Trumpas vairas generuoja nepakankamai jegos ir neiskelia lentos is vandens.

Gamyklinis vairas sei lentai 52cm. Turejau UltraRace 60cm. 60cm buvo ryskiai per daug. Greitis buvo neblogas bet uzsiplaukti i veja buvo labai sunku. Vaira palaipsniui trumpinau. Geriausias efektas buvo prie 51cm. Patrumpinus 1cm iki 50cm pelekas suprastejo. Greiciausiai turimas pelekas tapo perdaug kietas.

[ezhys]

Kaip pasireiksdavo tas stipriai per daug? Kitas dalykas - ne tik centimetrai svarbu. Kaip pats gerai isitikinau si savaitgali, forma daro labai didele itaka.

[Audrius 51]

Romai,manyčiau, tavo pelekas išvysto per mažą keliamąją galią. Gal dėl trumpumo, gal dėl kietumo, o gal dėl abiejų prižasčių iš karto.
Norėdamas labiau apkrauti peleką, kaip Kalvis rašė, viską stumi į galą (šarnyrą, kojakilpes), giką laikai žemiau.
Kiek suprantu SB iSonic mėgsta didesnius ir galingesnius pelekus, lyginant pvz su Tabou ar Fanatic.
Taigi, įvertinus tavo lentos dydį, nerekomenduočiau naudoti mažesnius pelekus nei siūlo gamintojas, plius privalumas būtų jei pelekas būtų minkštesnis.

[kalvis]

Romai, tema buvo apie FW pelekus. reikejo kurti nauja tema, ir klausiant nurodyti kokiai lentai - gautum tikslesni atsakyma

[Mindaugas LTU9]

Griztant prie temos. Lygiagreti diskusija vyksta CalCup forume:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CalCup/messages?o=1

[Tomas - Navas]

Jau seniai rupejo paklausti gal kas ka nors esate girdeje apie Vector Fins Maui palekus. Ju website apie FW palekus nieko nerandu, bet pats viena toki turiu.
Info mazai, zinau tik, kad 70cm +4. Lyginant su standartiniu SB161 Drake R19 jis zymiai kietesnis ir labiau nusmailejantis i apacia. Prie stipresnio vejo (8-10ms) su juo jauciuosi labiau uztikrintas nei su Darke R19, bet cia tik mano cainikiski pastebejimai.
Gal ne itema, bet prsiskaiciau SB forumu apie SB161. Kojakilpes nustumiau max i gala, sarnyra apie 2cm atgal nuo centro (anksciau plaukiau sarnyras 2cm priekyje, kilpos irgi priekyje) atsirado lengvumo jausmas, greitis pagerejo, bet ziauriai apsikrauna galine koja ir paleidus siek tiek pavejui lenta labai kyla is vandens, pasidaro baisu ir tenka numesti gaza. O tuo tarpu kolegos pralekia pro sali .

[Mindaugas LTU9]

Ar kas Lietuvoje atstovauja Kashy formulinius vairus? Kokie butu modeliai ir kainos?